Strategic and foreign policy analyst Sheshadri Chari in a candid interview to Rajya Sabha TV has said the China has changed its position on terrorism for the simple reason that it has realised that the scourge of terrorism cannot be handled with double standards, that is why it agreed along with other BRICS nations to list the names of terror outfits like JEM, and LET for the first time in the BRIC declaration.
Chari even highlighted the point that China knows that Pakistan is of no use to it as the economic utility is concerned. China cannot afford to ruffle India when it comes to developmental aspects. Sheshadri in a pointed reference also mentioned that PM Modi deliberately did not make a mention of Pakistan during the plenary session unlike that of the Goa summit where he referred to Pakistan as the mother ship of terrorism.
Here are the edited excerpts of the interview given to Rajya Sabha TV Anchor Neelu Vyas
Q: For the first time terror outfits have been made a part of BRICS declaration, do you see this a significant move o some kind of symbolic victory for India?
A: Terrorism is the biggest impediment to the economic growth. For India as well progress will be impeded if it does not take efforts to de-list the terror organisations. China has a hand held India in this. It’s a symbolic victory for India as well as it’s a significant move
Q: Do we assume this step as some kind of a change in China’s position?
A: Yes in a way China has changed its position on this. Even China realises that terror groups are creating trouble in its territory as well. China has realised that terrorism cannot be tackled by double standards. It can’t have a dual role. Be it ISIS, LET or JEM, terror has to handle with an iron hand.
Even though the Amritsar declaration had also stated the names of various terror groups but China changed its position but now realisation has dawned on China, it realises that it cannot walk alone on the BRICs platform. China has got ambitious projects like OBOR. CHINA also is facing local resistance. for example Baluchistan.
Q: Are we then to assume that ties of China with Pakistan will deteriorate?
A: It’s very natural that Pakistan has not liked the step but China also knows that terrorism can become an impediment to its growth. It’s not only terrorism and local resistance force which is making China vulnerable. All these things can prove harmful to There are elements which think Pakistan China economic corridor will create disparity. China wants a strategic move in the Indian Ocean region.
Having got that what’s imp for China is to get India to get on board. Pakistan is only providing roads, they cannot provide stability TO China. So China is not too much bothered about Pakistan as its economic value is nothing for China
Q: Incidentally PM Modi did not make a mention of Pakistan in the BRIC plenary session. At the Goa summit, he referred to Pakistan as the mother ship of terrorism?
A: It’s a calibrated speech of PM MODI. He made the statement in Goa to highlight the prospect. Now it is important for us to give Pakistan the time to realise the situation. PM deliberately did not mention Pakistan.
It was best for India not to raise the issue of Pakistan. Diplomacy is all about speaking less and makes the other party realise
Q: In the bilateral meeting there was a call for a closer need for communication between security and defence personnel’s, how practical is it?
A: When Chabahar port was conceived there were some think tanks which places it an as competitor for Baluchistan. But India said we are not in completion with China. We have been a part of the international community. India is not the rogue nation. These are all ideas and bilateral engagements. Every country respects this. Economic activity will never be impacted. China and India are both looking at infrastructure development.
Q: How will the India and China resolve the border dispute, is the resolution in sight?
A: XI Jinping highlighted India’s concerns. India was all along said that border dispute should not come in the way of resolving the disputes. Differences should not be allowed to become a dispute. BRICS summit has exactly done that. Economic activity should not get impacted by border disputes. India said it’s a forward looking summit.
Q: Business Council and new development bank are two new institutions but they are facing the challenge of raising funds and prioritizing the projects
A: There is a general lack of enthusiasm across the globe. The world economy is slowing down. Excessive funds are with 20 percent and excessive production and demand with 80 percent.
Supply and demand have to come together. China, India, Russia Brazil all contribute equally to the BRICS platform.
Q: PM Modi has spoken at the BRICS of reforming the tax structures and evolving a fair and modern tax system. Has pm Modi been successful to silence his critics who have said that demonetised was unwarranted??
A: Yes he has to a large extent. Domestic criticism should always be there. It’s a welcome sign. Indian economy has proved that we set our own house in order, taxation, economic policies the most important issue of corruption to be tackled. Added to demonetisation and GST we have crossed a number of hurdles. It’s easier for us to deal with the South East Asian countries. We are an open economy.